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How to update to Windmill CE 1.513.1? #99
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Steps to reproduce
- Install NC Flow
- Windmill Instance Settings indicate a new version of Windmill CE is available with a command to update
- Running this command has no effect and is not applicable as far as I can tell to the NC Flow app
- The NC ExApps update command (https://nextcloud.github.io/app_api/ManagingExternalApplications.html) does update NC Flow but not the Windmill CE version.
Expected behaviour
Updating the NC Flow app should also update to latest Windmill CE version
Actual behaviour
See screenshot of Windmill Instance Settings noting an update is available.
Server configuration
Operating System: Linux 5.15.0-144-generic x86_64
CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) E-2276G CPU @ 3.80GHz (2 threads)
Memory: 19.53 GB
PHP 8.3.23
Database: pgsql
Nextcloud version: Nextcloud Hub 10 (31.0.7)
List of activated apps
If you have access to your command line run e.g.:
sudo -u www-data php occ app:list
from within your Nextcloud installation folder
Nextcloud configuration
If you have access to your command line run e.g.:
sudo -u www-data php occ config:list system
from within your Nextcloud installation folder
Browser
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Browser log
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Reacted by Tarek Loubani and Peter Hagen
Activity
reidellawfirm commentedon Jul 28, 2025
I haven't found documentation on how to update the Windmill CE version within NC Flow yet but please point me in the right direction if there is any yet.
tareko commentedon Jul 28, 2025
It doesn't look like there's an easy way to do this. With the current version of Flow, it still uses 1.394.4, as you can see here:
https://github.com/nextcloud/flow/blob/main/Makefile#L36
I suspect this is for compatibility reasons, and I'm not sure when a new version might be available. I note from the changelog that 1.394 was released before September, 2024, so it is quite long in the tooth at almost a year old.
marcelklehr commentedon Aug 4, 2025
We might be able to publish a new release of the exapp with a newer version of windmill, but will have to test first, I guess.
tareko commentedon Aug 6, 2025
I'm happy to test it as well. I tried to use the dev instructions to create a separate app with the upgraded version, but it unfortunately failed. Looking at the new version, it doesn't seem to have any major incompatibilities that I could find.
tareko commentedon Sep 14, 2025
Gentle poke about this. I still haven't figured out how to use the instructions to practically create an upgraded addon. The old version of windmill now has many broken things. e.g., no AI coding.
reidellawfirm commentedon Oct 29, 2025
Is there any update on this? Windmill is now on v1.567.
tareko commentedon Nov 10, 2025
I must admit I'm really puzzled by the fact this ticket hasn't closed yet. The software version in use is now 14 months old, and key features are broken (e.g., AI coding). Since it's a low/no-code application, it's not a huge surprise that people like me and @reidellawfirm are using it and don't know how to upgrade it. I've tried multiple times using openai codex, but still haven't been able to figure it out.
This is a feature that is touted as one of Nextcloud's key features, which is why I decided to do the absolutely painful work of learning windmill rather than something like N8N which is way more richly supported in the community. If the barrier is that some key feature is broken when upgraded, perhaps the maintainer can just say as much - it's been 3 months since @marcelklehr last commented. I very much don't mind abandoning windmill or NC flow at this point. As it is, it barely does what I want and all my development happens in another up-to-date windmill and then has code copied over. We just need some direction in terms of where to go.
reidellawfirm commentedon Nov 15, 2025
I think its an underused tool unfortunately. Especially since it is likely the most powerful for business adoption of NC.
I will also add that many of the pre-scripted blocks in the Windmill Hub appear quite dated and required modifications before they were usable in our current install.
reidellawfirm commentedon Dec 4, 2025
For future reference on those considering NC Flow/Windmill:
The Windmill.dev team seems to be very actively developing and improving the standalone Windmill self hosted server integrations with Nextcloud:
See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzCvpwuiCjo&t=2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrnmNgQ22jE&t=3
And there also appears to be further work from NC on the OCS API for NC Flow app: https://github.com/nextcloud/integration_windmill
It might be more sustainable solution to self-host and install Windmill separately from NC and setup the NC resources on your own. It looks like setup and integrations for standalone Windmill server will be just as simple with better flexibility and latest updates.
tareko commentedon Dec 5, 2025
Thank you for this update. Does this mean that first block can work still? Or is there another way to better integrate into Nextcloud? Because at this point, I share the common perspective of others I've talked to that this plugin is effectively dead and it's time to move on.
Tarek
reidellawfirm commentedon Dec 5, 2025
Using a separate self hosted Windmill instance you can still connect to Nextcloud. This NC app is a specific Windmill instance created as an exApp in NC AIO but it is a very old version of Windmill and has additional limitations that the self hosted Windmill Instance does not have.
My only point for others is that moving from the NC app to a standalone Windmill Instance is likely a more robust option long term.
tareko commentedon Dec 9, 2025
I mean: What is the replacement for
CORE:LISTEN_TO_EVENT? Or do we use that as is somehow? Is there some other resource you used to learn about how to connect them?reidellawfirm commentedon Dec 9, 2025
I am not certain it needs a replacement. See the YouTube link to Windmill Weekly for October 17, a new Native Trigger is demonstrated with Nextcloud once connected and authorized. A native trigger should receive those listeners but the Windmill team noted those have to be written by the NC team next.
I won't be able to test this on my own until after the holidays when we have our company server upgrade and migration.
DaphneMuller commentedon Dec 10, 2025
hi everyone, just for your information, development here is currently limited as we’re collaborating with Windmill on an improved version of the app with support for stand-alone Windmill instances. We will still release this app for the upcoming release of Nextcloud because we're unsure if we will be done on time with the new app.
reidellawfirm commentedon Dec 16, 2025
Thank you for the update on this. It does track what I was guessing from what I have seen. I think its a good idea for those looking to utilize Windmill with NC to setup the standalone version of Windmill instead of relying on this exapp.
tareko commentedon Jan 14, 2026
I just installed the updated windmill. Thank you for this! It works great, and is exactly what was needed. Hopefully there's a mechanism to keep it updated. I would say this issue can close for now.